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[GE announce] Changes for a Bright Future at Oracle
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templedf
2010-12-24 06:06:00 UTC
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For the past decade, Oracle Grid Engine has been helping thousands of
customers marshal the enterprise technical computing processes at the
heart of bringing their products to market. Many customers have achieved
outstanding results
[http://www.oracle.com/us/products/database/oracle-grid-engine-197282.pdf]
with it via higher data center utilization and improved performance.
The latest release of the product provides best-in-class capabilities
for resource management including: Hadoop integration, topology-aware
scheduling, and on-demand connectivity to the cloud.

Oracle Grid Engine has a rich history, from helping BMW Oracle Racing
prepare for the America’s Cup to helping isolate and identify the genes
associated with obesity; from analyzing and predicting the world's
financial markets to producing the digital effects for the popular Harry
Potter series of films. Since 2001, the Grid Engine open source project
has made Oracle Grid Engine functionality available for free to open
source users. The Grid Engine open source community has grown from a
handful of users in 2001 into the strong, self-sustaining community that
it is now.

Today, we are entering a new chapter in Oracle Grid Engine’s life.
Oracle has been working with key members of the open source community to
pass on the torch for maintaining the open source code base to the Open
Grid Scheduler project hosted on SourceForge. This transition will allow
the Oracle Grid Engine engineering team to focus their efforts more
directly on enhancing the product. In a matter of days, we will take
definitive steps in order to roll out this transition. To ensure
on-going communication with the open source community, we will provide
the following services:

o Upon the decommissioning of the current open source site
[http://gridengine.sunsource.net/] on December 31st, 2010, we will begin
to transition the information on the open source project to Oracle
Technology Network’s home page for Oracle Grid Engine
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen].
This site will ultimately contain the resources currently available on
the open source site, as well as a wealth of additional product resources.

o The Oracle Grid Engine engineering team will be available to answer
questions and provide guidance regarding the open source project and
Oracle Grid Engine via online product forum
[http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=859]

o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project. While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine open source
project.

Oracle is committed to enhancing Oracle Grid Engine as a commercial
product and has an exciting road map planned. In addition to developing
new features and functionality to continue to improve the customer
experience, we also plan to release game-changing integrations with
several other Oracle products, including Oracle Enterprise Manager and
Oracle Coherence. Also, as Oracle's cloud strategy unfolds, we expect
that the Oracle Grid Engine product's role in the overall strategy will
continue to grow. To discuss our general plans for the product, we
would like to invite you to join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid
Engine’s new road map. Go here to register:
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]

Next Steps:

o Visit Oracle Technology Network Oracle Grid Engine center
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen]
to post questions or regarding open source related issues

o Contact Oracle if you wish to learn more about Oracle Grid Engine
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contact/global-070511.html

o Join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid Engine’s roadmap
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]

Thank you to everyone in the community for their support over the last
decade and their continued support going forward!

Daniel

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rayson
2010-12-24 06:28:34 UTC
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Post by templedf
o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project.  While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine open source
project.
Thanks Daniel & team for the support. And it would be great if Oracle
can contribute compatibility features to the Grid Scheduler project,
esp. DRMAA2, and provide a path for OGS to Oracle Grid Engine
migration for those who want 24x7 commercial support (and vice versa
for those who want to use open source products, but I think Oracle is
not very interested in it yet!).

And the Grid Scheduler project has been quiet for some time because
Ron is busy with his own consulting business, but he agreed to pass
the torch, and I am going to be the official maintainer until we find
a better person. (When Grid Engine was a Sun open source projects, Ron
& I were the only handful of developers contributing code, and I hope
to change the code contribution process a bit so that we can accept
more contributions!)

Rayson
Post by templedf
Oracle is committed to enhancing Oracle Grid Engine as a commercial
product and has an exciting road map planned.  In addition to developing
new features and functionality to continue to improve the customer
experience, we also plan to release game-changing integrations with
several other Oracle products, including Oracle Enterprise Manager and
Oracle Coherence.  Also, as Oracle's cloud strategy unfolds, we expect
that the Oracle Grid Engine product's role in the overall strategy will
continue to grow.  To discuss our general plans for the product, we
would like to invite you to join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
o Visit Oracle Technology Network Oracle Grid Engine center
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen]
to post questions or regarding open source related issues
o Contact Oracle if you wish to learn more about Oracle Grid Engine
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contact/global-070511.html
o Join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid Engine’s roadmap
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
Thank you to everyone in the community for their support over the last
decade and their continued support going forward!
Daniel
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fx
2010-12-28 21:18:21 UTC
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Post by rayson
And the Grid Scheduler project has been quiet for some time because
Ron is busy with his own consulting business, but he agreed to pass
the torch, and I am going to be the official maintainer until we find
a better person.
What do you intend to do with it?
Post by rayson
(When Grid Engine was a Sun open source projects, Ron
& I were the only handful of developers contributing code,
To be fair, a number of people tried, and the contributions in the
tracker that could easily be merged are under
https://arc.liv.ac.uk/trac/SGE/browser.
Post by rayson
and I hope
to change the code contribution process a bit so that we can accept
more contributions!)
What is the difficulty from your point of view? From the point of view
of contributors, I'd say it's having a non-distributed VCS with no
history and no documentation component, as well as no convenient issue
tracker (e.g. for submission by mail).
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Dave Love
Advanced Research Computing, Computing Services, University of Liverpool
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beatrubi
2010-12-24 07:38:14 UTC
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Hi Dan!
Today, we are entering a new chapter in Oracle Grid Engine¹s life.
Thanks for this clear information. I whish you the best for the future and
hope you will enjoy your work at your current employer.
o Upon the decommissioning of the current open source site
[http://gridengine.sunsource.net/]
o The Oracle Grid Engine engineering team will be available to answer
questions and provide guidance regarding the open source project and
Oracle Grid Engine via online product forum
[http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=859]
Which opens one question: What happens to this mailinglist? It was one of my
best resources during the last years and I will miss it if closed. OK, there
at least two forums, but I'm pretty sure the hard core members of this list
wont like it at all. At least Reuti is one of those dinosaurs:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/forums/forum/1207275/topic/392
2696

I have resources and know how to run a mailinglist. Feel free to rise hands!

Beat
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sgenedharvey
2010-12-24 22:30:06 UTC
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Post by beatrubi
Which opens one question: What happens to this mailinglist? It was one of my
best resources during the last years and I will miss it if closed. OK, there
at least two forums, but I'm pretty sure the hard core members of this list
Well, the message said sunsource will be decommissioned. So I assume that means this mailing list disappears.

It's unfortunate, but I know I won't participate regularly if I have to open up a webpage for every discussion group I'm in. Email is fine because it's automatically delivered and filtered. Webpage forums simply don't work for regular partipants in multiple groups.

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fx
2010-12-28 21:18:39 UTC
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Post by beatrubi
Which opens one question: What happens to this mailinglist? It was one
of my best resources during the last years
Apparently more useful than Oracle support.
Post by beatrubi
and I will miss it if closed. OK, there
at least two forums, but I'm pretty sure the hard core members of this list
wont like it at all.
Right. While it might be possible to gateway such things to SMTP/NNTP,
I'm not sure it's worth the effort.
I hope `dinosaurs' was meant to be in scare quotes!
Post by beatrubi
I have resources and know how to run a mailinglist. Feel free to rise hands!
I have one already set up which is intended as a community resource for
the project meant to continue gridengine on the same spirit as
originally: <https://arc.liv.ac.uk/trac/SGE/wiki/WikiStart#mail>. (It
is likely to move to Sourceforge, or somewhere, but that should be
transparent.)I'm afraid I haven't had time to do more work, particularly
to increase the visibility, but I may have more time in the new year.
Note that disconnected operation was a requirement for such services,
i.e. using a distributed revision control system and interaction by
mail.
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Dave Love
Advanced Research Computing, Computing Services, University of Liverpool
AKA ***@gnu.org

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macmccalla
2010-12-24 14:20:30 UTC
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Hi Dan,

Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your time and talents with us over the years. I wish you much success in the new endeavor.

Best Regards and a Happy and Safe Holiday season!


Mac McCalla
Geoscience Systems Development Advisor
Hess Corporation
Houston, Tx 77002


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templedf
2010-12-25 01:15:32 UTC
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One of the nice things about the forum is that you can sign up for email updates. Personally I prefer the RSS feed. You still have to use the web page to post replies, but you don't do that as often. I will look into a mailing list option, though.

Daniel

Daniel
Post by sgenedharvey
Post by beatrubi
Which opens one question: What happens to this mailinglist? It was one of
my
best resources during the last years and I will miss it if closed. OK, there
at least two forums, but I'm pretty sure the hard core members of this list
Well, the message said sunsource will be decommissioned. So I assume that means this mailing list disappears.
It's unfortunate, but I know I won't participate regularly if I have to open up a webpage for every discussion group I'm in. Email is fine because it's automatically delivered and filtered. Webpage forums simply don't work for regular partipants in multiple groups.
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dev
2010-12-28 20:00:36 UTC
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Hi Dan,Andy  and Everyone else on this list,

Thanks for all the contributions and Wish You All The Best!


/Dev

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From: templedf <***@oracle.com>
Subject: [GE users] [GE announce] Changes for a Bright Future at Oracle
To: ***@gridengine.sunsource.net, ***@gridengine.sunsource.net
Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 7:06 AM

For the past decade, Oracle Grid Engine has been helping thousands of
customers marshal the enterprise technical computing processes at the
heart of bringing their products to market. Many customers have achieved
outstanding results
[http://www.oracle.com/us/products/database/oracle-grid-engine-197282.pdf]
with it via higher data center utilization and improved performance.
The latest release of the product provides best-in-class capabilities
for resource management including:  Hadoop integration, topology-aware
scheduling, and on-demand connectivity to the cloud.

Oracle Grid Engine has a rich history, from helping BMW Oracle Racing
prepare for the America’s Cup to helping isolate and identify the genes
associated with obesity; from analyzing and predicting the world's
financial markets to producing the digital effects for the popular Harry
Potter series of films. Since 2001, the Grid Engine open source project
has made Oracle Grid Engine functionality available for free to open
source users.  The Grid Engine open source community has grown from a
handful of users in 2001 into the strong, self-sustaining community that
it is now.

Today, we are entering a new chapter in Oracle Grid Engine’s life.
Oracle has been working with key members of the open source community to
pass on the torch for maintaining the open source code base to the Open
Grid Scheduler project hosted on SourceForge. This transition will allow
the Oracle Grid Engine engineering team to focus their efforts more
directly on enhancing the product.  In a matter of days, we will take
definitive steps in order to roll out this transition.  To ensure
on-going communication with the open source community, we will provide
the following services:

o Upon the decommissioning of the current open source site
[http://gridengine.sunsource.net/] on December 31st, 2010, we will begin
to transition the information on the open source project to Oracle
Technology Network’s home page for Oracle Grid Engine
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen].
This site will ultimately contain the resources currently available on
the open source site, as well as a wealth of additional product resources.

o The Oracle Grid Engine engineering team will be available to answer
questions and provide guidance regarding the open source project and
Oracle Grid Engine via online product forum
[http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=859]

o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project.  While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine open source
project.

Oracle is committed to enhancing Oracle Grid Engine as a commercial
product and has an exciting road map planned.  In addition to developing
new features and functionality to continue to improve the customer
experience, we also plan to release game-changing integrations with
several other Oracle products, including Oracle Enterprise Manager and
Oracle Coherence.  Also, as Oracle's cloud strategy unfolds, we expect
that the Oracle Grid Engine product's role in the overall strategy will
continue to grow.  To discuss our general plans for the product, we
would like to invite you to join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid
Engine’s new road map. Go here to register:
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]

Next Steps:

o Visit Oracle Technology Network Oracle Grid Engine center
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen]
to post questions or regarding open source related issues

o Contact Oracle if you wish to learn more about Oracle Grid Engine
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contact/global-070511.html

o Join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid Engine’s roadmap
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]

Thank you to everyone in the community for their support over the last
decade and their continued support going forward!

Daniel

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fx
2010-12-28 21:27:18 UTC
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o Upon the decommissioning of the current open source site
[http://gridengine.sunsource.net/] on December 31st, 2010, we will begin
to transition the information on the open source project to Oracle
Technology Network’s home page for Oracle Grid Engine
I hope note will be taken of the conditions under which people
contributed on sunsource. In particular, the conditions of the Oracle
site require you to grant Oracle essentially complete rights to anything
you contribute, including even waiving moral rights. I guess, for
instance, Reuti wouldn't be pleased not to have the right to be
identified as the author of his contributions (although I think German
law doesn't permit that). I don't want to contribute under those
conditions (apart from not wanting to use a `forum').
Post by templedf
o The Oracle Grid Engine engineering team will be available to answer
questions and provide guidance regarding the open source project and
Oracle Grid Engine via online product forum
[http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=859]
What sort of answers and guidance will be available? I assume that
won't include, for instance, telling us how to fix bugs any more than
previously.
Post by templedf
o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project.
Does that mean it's going to incorporate the repo history,
documentation, and the related projects? I'd hope it won't continue in
the tradition of effectively discouraging contributions (other than free
support for users)...
Post by templedf
While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine open source
project.
Does that include the mail list archive, which is the only thing not
readily extracted?
--
Dave Love
Advanced Research Computing, Computing Services, University of Liverpool
AKA ***@gnu.org

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2010-12-29 00:19:59 UTC
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Post by templedf
o Upon the decommissioning of the current open source site
[http://gridengine.sunsource.net/] on December 31st, 2010, we will begin
to transition the information on the open source project to Oracle
Technology Network’s home page for Oracle Grid Engine
I hope note will be taken of the conditions under which people
contributed on sunsource. In particular, the conditions of the Oracle
site require you to grant Oracle essentially complete rights to anything
you contribute, including even waiving moral rights. I guess, for
instance, Reuti wouldn't be pleased not to have the right to be
identified as the author of his contributions (although I think German
law doesn't permit that). I don't want to contribute under those
conditions (apart from not wanting to use a `forum').
We will, of course, be respectful of the rights of any contributors.
Post by fx
Post by templedf
o The Oracle Grid Engine engineering team will be available to answer
questions and provide guidance regarding the open source project and
Oracle Grid Engine via online product forum
[http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=859]
What sort of answers and guidance will be available? I assume that
won't include, for instance, telling us how to fix bugs any more than
previously.
My hope is that the forum will be able to pick up where this mailing
list leaves off. It will be the place to report issues, ask about best
practices, ask for clarifications, ask for help in general.
Post by fx
Post by templedf
o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project.
Does that mean it's going to incorporate the repo history,
documentation, and the related projects? I'd hope it won't continue in
the tradition of effectively discouraging contributions (other than free
support for users)...
I can't speak for the OGS project, but all of those things are available
to them if they're interested.
Post by fx
Post by templedf
While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine open source
project.
Does that include the mail list archive, which is the only thing not
readily extracted?
Yes, if they want it. We will also make all of these resources
available to the Son of Grid Engine project, if you want them.

Daniel

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fx
2010-12-31 15:00:07 UTC
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My hope is that the forum will be able to pick up where this mailing
list leaves off. It will be the place to report issues, ask about best
practices, ask for clarifications, ask for help in general.
I think the conditions of use are a significant barrier to that, as well
as it being a forum for something most of us aren't using. I'm not
suggesting that any of this is your fault, obviously.
Post by templedf
Yes, if they want it. We will also make all of these resources
available to the Son of Grid Engine project, if you want them.
Thanks. As long as they're archived somewhere in a directly-accessible
and readily-searchable form, I don't think there's a need. I'd rather
do something else with rather limited time, and I really don't want to
be in competition with people rather than collaboration.
--
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ron
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Thanks Daniel. A few changes with the Open Grid Scheduler project:

- as mentioned by Rayson, he is assigned as the project owner.

- the "developers" & "users" lists were created on sourceforge.

I will be busy for the next month or two, so Rayson will be in charge of creating the OGS 6.2u5 patch 1 release.

-Ron

P.S. Sorry for being quiet for the past few months, and happy new year!!!
Post by templedf
o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be
continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project. 
While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the
Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle
team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine
open source
project.
Oracle is committed to enhancing Oracle Grid Engine as a
commercial
product and has an exciting road map planned.  In
addition to developing
new features and functionality to continue to improve the
customer
experience, we also plan to release game-changing
integrations with
several other Oracle products, including Oracle Enterprise
Manager and
Oracle Coherence.  Also, as Oracle's cloud strategy
unfolds, we expect
that the Oracle Grid Engine product's role in the overall
strategy will
continue to grow.  To discuss our general plans for
the product, we
would like to invite you to join us for a live webcast on
Oracle Grid
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
o Visit Oracle Technology Network Oracle Grid Engine center
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen]
to post questions or regarding open source related issues
o Contact Oracle if you wish to learn more about Oracle
Grid Engine
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contact/global-070511.html
o Join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid Engine’s
roadmap
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
Thank you to everyone in the community for their support
over the last
decade and their continued support going forward!
Daniel
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Ron, Daniel, Rayson -

Happy New Year everyone ! I hope that this year brings health
and happiness to all those using Grid Engine ! :)

So, I'm trying to get my head around where we're at right now,
in preparation for a "Cluster Support" meeting on Tuesday. It
appears that Oracle will be sponsoring the "Open Grid
Scheduler project", but I'm trying to figure out exactly
what that means (I realize that perhaps no one actually
knows yet, but I'll ask anyway....).

So, here's my basic question (I apologize in advance if this
was answered in the flurry of emails the past few weeks, but
I don't think it was) -

What subset of changes that were made between 6.2u5 and
6.2u6 will be made available to the OGS project by Oracle ?
Now that 6.2.u7 has been announced, I guess the same question
could be asked about that release, too.

In other words, will the user community have to "reverse-engineer"
all the changes made by Oracle to get them included into the OGS
project, or will Oracle be supplying the code for them ?

I could go on and on with questions / comments about building,
mailing lists, other "competing" projects, bugs, features, docs,
etc..... (!) -- but I won't, because I think the answer to
this (rather simple) question will help many of us decide
what our future with Grid Engine will be.

If you cannot answer this question now, can you tell us if you
will be able to answer this question on the Roadmap webcast on
Jan 13th ?

Thanks !

John
Post by ron
- as mentioned by Rayson, he is assigned as the project owner.
- the "developers"& "users" lists were created on sourceforge.
I will be busy for the next month or two, so Rayson will be in charge of creating the OGS 6.2u5 patch 1 release.
-Ron
P.S. Sorry for being quiet for the past few months, and happy new year!!!
Post by templedf
o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be
continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project.
While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the
Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle
team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine
open source
project.
Oracle is committed to enhancing Oracle Grid Engine as a
commercial
product and has an exciting road map planned. In
addition to developing
new features and functionality to continue to improve the
customer
experience, we also plan to release game-changing
integrations with
several other Oracle products, including Oracle Enterprise
Manager and
Oracle Coherence. Also, as Oracle's cloud strategy
unfolds, we expect
that the Oracle Grid Engine product's role in the overall
strategy will
continue to grow. To discuss our general plans for
the product, we
would like to invite you to join us for a live webcast on
Oracle Grid
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
o Visit Oracle Technology Network Oracle Grid Engine center
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen]
to post questions or regarding open source related issues
o Contact Oracle if you wish to learn more about Oracle
Grid Engine
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contact/global-070511.html
o Join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid Engine’s
roadmap
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
Thank you to everyone in the community for their support
over the last
decade and their continued support going forward!
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2011-01-02 00:53:15 UTC
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John,

The Open Grid Scheduler project (and Son of Grid Engine project) is a
separately owned and maintained source base from the Oracle Grid Engine
product. We will support them as much as we can, but Oracle has fairly
strict boundaries on interactions with third parties, such as open
source projects. The top of the list of things that we cannot do is
donate or borrow any source code. Enhancements made in u6 and u7 were
made to the Grid Engine product and hence cannot be donated to any open
source project. Similarly, none of the work that the supporters of the
open source projects are doing can be incorporated into the Grid Engine
product. What we can do is share things that aren't source code, such
as all of the project artifacts we have received from CollabNet. We can
also collaborate with the open source projects to make sure that
transitioning between them and the product is an painless as possible.
Where laws permit (e.g. in California), individuals are also allowed to
participate in the open source projects on their own time.

Daniel
Post by cjf001
Ron, Daniel, Rayson -
Happy New Year everyone ! I hope that this year brings health
and happiness to all those using Grid Engine ! :)
So, I'm trying to get my head around where we're at right now,
in preparation for a "Cluster Support" meeting on Tuesday. It
appears that Oracle will be sponsoring the "Open Grid
Scheduler project", but I'm trying to figure out exactly
what that means (I realize that perhaps no one actually
knows yet, but I'll ask anyway....).
So, here's my basic question (I apologize in advance if this
was answered in the flurry of emails the past few weeks, but
I don't think it was) -
What subset of changes that were made between 6.2u5 and
6.2u6 will be made available to the OGS project by Oracle ?
Now that 6.2.u7 has been announced, I guess the same question
could be asked about that release, too.
In other words, will the user community have to "reverse-engineer"
all the changes made by Oracle to get them included into the OGS
project, or will Oracle be supplying the code for them ?
I could go on and on with questions / comments about building,
mailing lists, other "competing" projects, bugs, features, docs,
etc..... (!) -- but I won't, because I think the answer to
this (rather simple) question will help many of us decide
what our future with Grid Engine will be.
If you cannot answer this question now, can you tell us if you
will be able to answer this question on the Roadmap webcast on
Jan 13th ?
Thanks !
John
Post by ron
- as mentioned by Rayson, he is assigned as the project owner.
- the "developers"& "users" lists were created on sourceforge.
I will be busy for the next month or two, so Rayson will be in charge of creating the OGS 6.2u5 patch 1 release.
-Ron
P.S. Sorry for being quiet for the past few months, and happy new year!!!
Post by templedf
o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be
continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project.
While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the
Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle
team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine
open source
project.
Oracle is committed to enhancing Oracle Grid Engine as a
commercial
product and has an exciting road map planned. In
addition to developing
new features and functionality to continue to improve the
customer
experience, we also plan to release game-changing
integrations with
several other Oracle products, including Oracle Enterprise
Manager and
Oracle Coherence. Also, as Oracle's cloud strategy
unfolds, we expect
that the Oracle Grid Engine product's role in the overall
strategy will
continue to grow. To discuss our general plans for
the product, we
would like to invite you to join us for a live webcast on
Oracle Grid
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
o Visit Oracle Technology Network Oracle Grid Engine center
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen]
to post questions or regarding open source related issues
o Contact Oracle if you wish to learn more about Oracle
Grid Engine
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contact/global-070511.html
o Join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid Engine’s
roadmap
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
Thank you to everyone in the community for their support
over the last
decade and their continued support going forward!
Daniel
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laotsao
2011-01-02 14:09:35 UTC
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what will happen to the old mails for this mail-list?
regards
Post by templedf
John,
The Open Grid Scheduler project (and Son of Grid Engine project) is a
separately owned and maintained source base from the Oracle Grid Engine
product. We will support them as much as we can, but Oracle has fairly
strict boundaries on interactions with third parties, such as open
source projects. The top of the list of things that we cannot do is
donate or borrow any source code. Enhancements made in u6 and u7 were
made to the Grid Engine product and hence cannot be donated to any open
source project. Similarly, none of the work that the supporters of the
open source projects are doing can be incorporated into the Grid Engine
product. What we can do is share things that aren't source code, such
as all of the project artifacts we have received from CollabNet. We can
also collaborate with the open source projects to make sure that
transitioning between them and the product is an painless as possible.
Where laws permit (e.g. in California), individuals are also allowed to
participate in the open source projects on their own time.
Daniel
Post by cjf001
Ron, Daniel, Rayson -
Happy New Year everyone ! I hope that this year brings health
and happiness to all those using Grid Engine ! :)
So, I'm trying to get my head around where we're at right now,
in preparation for a "Cluster Support" meeting on Tuesday. It
appears that Oracle will be sponsoring the "Open Grid
Scheduler project", but I'm trying to figure out exactly
what that means (I realize that perhaps no one actually
knows yet, but I'll ask anyway....).
So, here's my basic question (I apologize in advance if this
was answered in the flurry of emails the past few weeks, but
I don't think it was) -
What subset of changes that were made between 6.2u5 and
6.2u6 will be made available to the OGS project by Oracle ?
Now that 6.2.u7 has been announced, I guess the same question
could be asked about that release, too.
In other words, will the user community have to "reverse-engineer"
all the changes made by Oracle to get them included into the OGS
project, or will Oracle be supplying the code for them ?
I could go on and on with questions / comments about building,
mailing lists, other "competing" projects, bugs, features, docs,
etc..... (!) -- but I won't, because I think the answer to
this (rather simple) question will help many of us decide
what our future with Grid Engine will be.
If you cannot answer this question now, can you tell us if you
will be able to answer this question on the Roadmap webcast on
Jan 13th ?
Thanks !
John
Post by ron
- as mentioned by Rayson, he is assigned as the project owner.
- the "developers"& "users" lists were created on sourceforge.
I will be busy for the next month or two, so Rayson will be in charge of creating the OGS 6.2u5 patch 1 release.
-Ron
P.S. Sorry for being quiet for the past few months, and happy new year!!!
Post by templedf
o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be
continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project.
While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the
Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle
team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine
open source
project.
Oracle is committed to enhancing Oracle Grid Engine as a
commercial
product and has an exciting road map planned. In
addition to developing
new features and functionality to continue to improve the
customer
experience, we also plan to release game-changing
integrations with
several other Oracle products, including Oracle Enterprise
Manager and
Oracle Coherence. Also, as Oracle's cloud strategy
unfolds, we expect
that the Oracle Grid Engine product's role in the overall
strategy will
continue to grow. To discuss our general plans for
the product, we
would like to invite you to join us for a live webcast on
Oracle Grid
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
o Visit Oracle Technology Network Oracle Grid Engine center
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen]
to post questions or regarding open source related issues
o Contact Oracle if you wish to learn more about Oracle
Grid Engine
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contact/global-070511.html
o Join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid Engine’s
roadmap
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
Thank you to everyone in the community for their support
over the last
decade and their continued support going forward!
Daniel
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2011-01-03 01:32:28 UTC
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OK, thanks Daniel for the good information. I take this
to mean that you Oracle guys will still be answering questions
on the mailing list / forum like "how do I do A ?" and "what's
the best way to accomplish B?" and "why do I see C?" - but
not "can you change X?" or "can you give me a patch for this
bug ?".

<soapbox> This is certainly an opportunity for the open source
community to take the reins of the Grid Engine product and
direct it to their needs, but I frankly don't see how they
(we ?) could be anywhere near as successful as you guys
have been. It seems to me to be a pretty big risk to
stick with the open source version(s), given the complexity
of the system, the (from what I've seen, anyway) lack of developer
documentation, and the "part-time" nature of the open source
community. But, it's early, and I don't have to make a decision
*right now*, so I guess it's worth waiting and watching a
bit to see what happens - maybe in the meantime I can look
into what support options Oracle or others offer. </soapbox>

John
Post by templedf
John,
The Open Grid Scheduler project (and Son of Grid Engine project) is a
separately owned and maintained source base from the Oracle Grid Engine
product. We will support them as much as we can, but Oracle has fairly
strict boundaries on interactions with third parties, such as open
source projects. The top of the list of things that we cannot do is
donate or borrow any source code. Enhancements made in u6 and u7 were
made to the Grid Engine product and hence cannot be donated to any open
source project. Similarly, none of the work that the supporters of the
open source projects are doing can be incorporated into the Grid Engine
product. What we can do is share things that aren't source code, such as
all of the project artifacts we have received from CollabNet. We can
also collaborate with the open source projects to make sure that
transitioning between them and the product is an painless as possible.
Where laws permit (e.g. in California), individuals are also allowed to
participate in the open source projects on their own time.
Daniel
Post by cjf001
Ron, Daniel, Rayson -
Happy New Year everyone ! I hope that this year brings health
and happiness to all those using Grid Engine ! :)
So, I'm trying to get my head around where we're at right now,
in preparation for a "Cluster Support" meeting on Tuesday. It
appears that Oracle will be sponsoring the "Open Grid
Scheduler project", but I'm trying to figure out exactly
what that means (I realize that perhaps no one actually
knows yet, but I'll ask anyway....).
So, here's my basic question (I apologize in advance if this
was answered in the flurry of emails the past few weeks, but
I don't think it was) -
What subset of changes that were made between 6.2u5 and
6.2u6 will be made available to the OGS project by Oracle ?
Now that 6.2.u7 has been announced, I guess the same question
could be asked about that release, too.
In other words, will the user community have to "reverse-engineer"
all the changes made by Oracle to get them included into the OGS
project, or will Oracle be supplying the code for them ?
I could go on and on with questions / comments about building,
mailing lists, other "competing" projects, bugs, features, docs,
etc..... (!) -- but I won't, because I think the answer to
this (rather simple) question will help many of us decide
what our future with Grid Engine will be.
If you cannot answer this question now, can you tell us if you
will be able to answer this question on the Roadmap webcast on
Jan 13th ?
Thanks !
John
Post by ron
- as mentioned by Rayson, he is assigned as the project owner.
- the "developers"& "users" lists were created on sourceforge.
I will be busy for the next month or two, so Rayson will be in charge
of creating the OGS 6.2u5 patch 1 release.
-Ron
P.S. Sorry for being quiet for the past few months, and happy new year!!!
Post by templedf
o The Open Grid Scheduler project
[http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridscheduler/] will be
continuing on
the tradition of the Grid Engine open source project.
While the Open
Grid Scheduler project will remain independent of the
Oracle Grid Engine
product, the project will have the support of the Oracle
team, including
making available artifacts from the original Grid Engine
open source
project.
Oracle is committed to enhancing Oracle Grid Engine as a
commercial
product and has an exciting road map planned. In
addition to developing
new features and functionality to continue to improve the
customer
experience, we also plan to release game-changing
integrations with
several other Oracle products, including Oracle Enterprise
Manager and
Oracle Coherence. Also, as Oracle's cloud strategy
unfolds, we expect
that the Oracle Grid Engine product's role in the overall
strategy will
continue to grow. To discuss our general plans for
the product, we
would like to invite you to join us for a live webcast on
Oracle Grid
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
o Visit Oracle Technology Network Oracle Grid Engine center
[http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/grid-engine-166852.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen]
to post questions or regarding open source related issues
o Contact Oracle if you wish to learn more about Oracle
Grid Engine
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contact/global-070511.html
o Join us for a live webcast on Oracle Grid Engine’s
roadmap
[http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/24655]
Thank you to everyone in the community for their support
over the last
decade and their continued support going forward!
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